How One Moment Changed My Entire Perspective | The Confidence Question Ep. 4

Neil Grevemberg: Nervous to say the least, right? You know, you just graduated high school and then I would say I wasn't confident at all. I was very confused and nervous. I feel like it's obviously the best thing that ever happened to me. And I think it's a big part of being successful because of father, you change instantly. You realize like you have no choice but to be successful.

Dr. Tyler Hales: I'm excited because we've got Neil Grevemberg here with me today. I'm Dr. Tyler Hales, host of the Confidence Question podcast. And that's what we're doing. We're on this journey to really understand

Dr. Tyler Hales: Where Confidence Comes From. So Neil, uh, is one of the most successful people I know, and, uh, I love having him here on the show. There's so much info that I learned from him. I am constantly asking questions, so this is going to be amazing to really dive into his mind and how he works.

Neil Grevemberg: Yeah, it's interesting. I had like a lot of confidence as a kid and as a young man, but no confidence in the classroom whatsoever. You know, I struggled with ADHD and, you know, I'm a little bit older. They didn't really talk about it back then. And so I was a terrible student, but, you know, I was a fairly good-looking person. And, you know, I got along with the teachers and had a personality and kind of learned from a young age that talking could get me pretty far in life. Um, so yeah, I started a little business right after high school and, um, that turned into a different business and turned into a different business and kind of just led to where I'm at today.

Dr. Tyler Hales: That's cool. What was your first business that you opened?

Neil Grevemberg: I was a painter. I was a house painter. And, uh, the one thing I will say that I will, you know, not pat myself on the back, but I feel really good about is that I always took another step. Like I was never satisfied. So, um, at the time I was making pretty good money painting houses and I had a couple employees, but then I would always, that journey, you would see other people doing a different type of business that had to do with painting. So then I got into flipping houses, and then I got into foreclosures, and then I would fix up houses and paint them. But I would see people building new houses, so I just started building houses. And I had no expertise, no, no anything. And one thing I learned is, and a saying that I always tell my kids, is some people do and some people don't. And it's really how I feel because It's really not as difficult to build a business or do things that you think are impossible if you just do it.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Um, and Neil, you have been very successful in life, um, and transformed, you know, from the Small Transformation, but also, you know, your looks and things. But where did it all kind of start from being successful, kind of this entrepreneur, business-minded? Did you notice that as a kid or when did you kind of see a different mindset for yourself?

Dr. Tyler Hales: So here's the work this week: find your Peloton, the thing that's been sitting there for 8 months. Give it 20 minutes. That's the whole entry fee. I'm Dr. Tyler Hales. Follow the show so you don't miss what's next. This question doesn't have one answer. That's why we keep asking it.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah, I think a lot of people first starting out to build or start their first business really struggle with that confidence, right? Is it going to be successful? How, how hard do you push it, right? What is something that you saw that made you very— that first business of painting so successful from kind of a confidence standpoint?

Neil Grevemberg: Um, well, I was very good with customers and it was genuine. Like I've always said, like, you know, I'm not a salesman per se, but I genuinely like people, as you know, like I like to talk. And, um, that came in, that became a very valuable asset for me because then I, then it would turn into, you know, bigger jobs and I started getting into the apartment buildings and, you know, pretty soon you don't want to paint a house, you want to paint like a complex. And so that's where that all started. And, um, you know, my teeth looked a little bit better back then, so I was still smiling.

Dr. Tyler Hales: I love that. So then you've taken— really, you saw a need, right, painting houses, and then you saw how, uh, that need led to kind of your next business, then your next business kind of built off of that.

Neil Grevemberg: Yeah, I always, um, I always wanted more. And, you know, I mean, along that path, sometimes you're, you know, chasing money too much and other things are like your body, you're not taking care of yourself, right? And I would say I'm a victim to that. I was very successful making money but letting myself go a little bit and thinking that that was justifying my health. And then you hit a certain age and you realize you got to get the health in check. And that's where the teeth, I feel like, changed everything because I think that was 2020. And you know what I looked like. 311 pounds, which is hard to believe, but, um, and I never smiled, you know, that was a big thing. Never— always hearing from everybody in my family, you don't smile. I was just really had lost my confidence and without the smile.

Dr. Tyler Hales: What did it feel like when you had your daughter? I mean, pretty early on in life, was that, uh, did you feel confident from that, or was that, um, kind of like nervous?

Neil Grevemberg: Oh, I mean, nervous to say the least, right? You know, you just graduated high school and then you're going through that journey. So I would say I wasn't confident at all. I was very confused and nervous and all the— all that. But, you know, I feel like it's obviously the best thing that ever happened to me. And I think it's a big part of being successful because, you know, you change who you— you know, as a father, you change instantly. You realize like you have no choice but to be successful, and so you just work and figure it out.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah, it's really quite rewarding for sure, right? And absolutely changes everything. But, um,

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah. No, a lot of confidence can come from other people, right? I mean, yeah, and I think there's a balance, right? It's, uh, there's probably envy and ego, right? Which is where you, you look at people and you know, you're jealous of them. And then there's other people you see and they're motivating, right?

Neil Grevemberg: Yeah.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Um, and I think that that's really important, is that confidence only comes from the motivational aspect, understanding that like if, if everyone works together and not seeing it as initially competitive or a race.

Neil Grevemberg: Yeah.

Dr. Tyler Hales: And I think it's the same whether you want to work out, whether you want to get veneers, or you want to change an aspect that's going to help you feel more confident. But why do we always lack confidence to tell people about that decision?

Neil Grevemberg: That's— it's interesting because that's like a real thing for sure. I think that, you know, it goes back to You know, relationships, uh, your relationships with your kids, spouse, girlfriend, whatever it may be, siblings. From the outside, you know, we want everyone to think everything's perfect and it rarely is. We're all humans and there's a lot of obstacles that we're all dealing with all the time. And I think, I think we're in a time in this, like where we're at right now, I feel like people are more honest about a lot of these things, you know, from teeth to a little hair work. I'm not embarrassed by it all, by any of it. I think it's good to talk about it, and I think it's good to admit that, you know, our relationships with people aren't perfect. And because I think it only helps you, like, have better relationships. And so I think we're all— I think the honesty part of that is a big part of my journey as well.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Well, it definitely is becoming— I mean, we see it on social media, right? People are talking about it way more than they ever have before. Before it was always, you were always looking at them, you're like, something happened, but they're not, and they usually would deny it, right? Nowadays people want to talk about it, and I think it is because it— social media is more about support now, right? Where we're understanding and being vulnerable about insecurities or lack of confidence versus before everyone always felt like they had to be the most confident person on the platform.

Neil Grevemberg: Yeah.

Dr. Tyler Hales: And I think that is a great change that we're creating and hopefully making an impact where people are seeing those insecurities and understanding that they're not alone through that journey.

Neil Grevemberg: Yeah, 100% agree. I would add that, you know, not only confidence, I mean,

Dr. Tyler Hales: as we kind of talk through this, through your life, it's, um, this journey, right? You, you were able to be so successful within business, um, but letting other things go. Like you talked about how you had gained weight. What was the day you decided to stop being that version of yourself that you've been settling for?

Neil Grevemberg: You know, you can't make this up. So I have a hoag concierge doctor, and I had had my teeth done, and he, he had been kind of on me about my weight. And I, you know, during COVID it was hard to take things too seriously. You know, you're out— I had a boat, as you know, and I was out there all the time, and having a few drinks and eating and having fun. And he said, "Hey, you got your teeth, you got a smile." This is true. And he said, "Why don't we work on the weight now?" And, you know, he said a couple more direct things to me about my weight. And that day I got on a Peloton for 20 minutes. And that was the first day. And that was April of 2021, I believe. I think that we, my teeth had been done about 4 or 5 months.

Dr. Tyler Hales: That's awesome.

Neil Grevemberg: So that's a true story.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah.

Neil Grevemberg: And I rode that Peloton every day for probably 700 days. And so that's where it started.

Neil Grevemberg: It wasn't like I had crooked teeth or anything. It was just the coloring. And, and then, you know, once you did what you did, it was 100 times better because you actually restructured the look, or however you say it. And so I think it's a big part of a lot of things I'm involved in now, for sure. And a lot of people that I've met and that I do business with, and I'm in private lending now, and I'm very excited to go meet new clients or investors and smile and be who I am. And I feel like I was kind of hiding. It was always me inside, the little boys inside, but it was kind of like not real. Outgoing like I was young and now I am.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah, I love it. Well, I want to take a little bit of break and actually play a game with you.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Now you're a gym junkie, right?

Neil Grevemberg: Absolutely. I'm addicted to the gym. Yeah.

Dr. Tyler Hales: I love it. We see each other all the time at the gym. Yeah, we're there all together.

Neil Grevemberg: Well, and you know, you look pretty good. And I've caught you a couple of times with a tank top on and even texted you about it. So, yeah, I would say, you know, honestly, people like you have been motivating as well because You know, you fit, you look good, you're smiling, like, you know, you kind of, you want that. And I will say living in Orange County, you know, I moved here in 2018, had a little bit to do with it as well, because in Northern California where I came from, the Central Valley, people just weren't as healthy as they are down here. That's a, that's a real thing.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Uh, right, then, then you're gonna have more confidence than always feeling— because if you always compare, you're always gonna be behind. There's always gonna be someone better than you.

Neil Grevemberg: I, I actually, you know You know, you make a good point. And I feel like that's one of my biggest strengths, and it always has been, that I've never been jealous of other people. I've always looked at them like, how can I get there? And I think that's, you know, I probably didn't articulate it very well, but that's in the business sense. You know, I would see a guy remodeling houses when I'm, when, you know, he's hiring me to paint and I'm going, instead of being jealous, I'm like, I'm going to be that guy. And so I would do that throughout my life quite a bit to the point where it got me to where I'm building apartment buildings. I want to be that guy. And yeah, I mean, yeah, no joke. I mean, you can edit this out, but there's a couple of pictures I've seen you with your shirt off in the gym. And I'm like, wait a minute. And I think that is a motivation when you see people successful like you that are feeling good and looking good. You want that. And nothing to be jealous of. And I feel like, as I told you off camera, at first I didn't tell people.

Neil Grevemberg: Well, you're trying to make them confident. Uh, There's a little delusion there, but I'm going confidence again. Like, I don't know. I like it.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah. I, I mean, it, it's about being an example. I, I have 4 kids and, you know, again, um, I want them to feel like they can, I think that they can achieve anything and you gotta instill confidence in them. I think if they instantly start going into like questioning whether they can do it or questioning themselves. You know, whether it's sports or school or any friends, you know, uh, they're always going to second-guess themselves. Yeah.

Neil Grevemberg: And I think too, um, I mean, I'm just so grateful that just did things because it's so easy to sit on the sidelines and, you know, it's hard to put kids, you know, our mindset and steal that in them, but they're so young. It's like, who cares if it doesn't work out? You know, I mean, who cares? Like, it's so funny the things we get caught up on. You're 22 years old or whatever you are, start that business. If it doesn't work, like, you're okay. You know?

Dr. Tyler Hales: So then the last one, actually, a man in his 40s starts over from scratch in a new industry.

Neil Grevemberg: Well, that's kind of a loaded question. I mean, did he sell his other business? I mean, there's a lot of things there, but I'm going to say confidence again. I mean, uh, I, a lot of people have done their, done their best after 40, right? You know, I didn't buy my first house till we— Sally and I didn't buy our first house till we were 29 years old. And everyone thinks that we just like always had all these properties and stuff like that.

Dr. Tyler Hales: I'll build from that, but I don't I don't think you realized how big of a decision that was at the time.

Neil Grevemberg: Oh, absolutely not. But I will say again, I know that you don't want to make this about you, but you were very, your confidence really made me not even go home and think about it. And as you know, I was like, all right, let's do it. Because you kind of explained to me and you kind of the process and I'm just like, let's do this. And actually, I think I was one of your first clients, maybe.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember I was stoked. And because you were one of my first, right? I had been— I'd only been in Ladera probably like, what, 6 months?

Neil Grevemberg: Yeah, I feel like I might have been your second or third, or— I mean, I was right up there, I believe, because you just— well, that was the whole thing, is the other dentist in the office, I believe I had spoke to— you can cut this out, but this is true. So I spoke to the other dentist and his person, and, um, I don't know, I just didn't feel it at the time. Nothing, nothing that he did. I just didn't feel it. And, uh, just maybe it's because you were younger and more like, uh, confident, just more— you really just said, I'm gonna make you look good, like, and that's kind of what you did. And it's like, you know what, I like that, let's go.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah.

Neil Grevemberg: And you did.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah, it's interesting because I I think at that time I was very passionate. I had a ton of passion and I still do have passion for this, which is why we created this. And that is part of confidence, right?

Neil Grevemberg: Yeah, sure.

Dr. Tyler Hales: I didn't have reps of knowledge when it came to that, but I knew that I had the team and I had the skill set to be able to get it. And that's where the confidence came.

Neil Grevemberg: Everyone knew, but we didn't talk about it. Now I'm very, I'm very happy to tell anybody about my experience doing my teeth because I feel like I'd rather have people do it than me not say anything and they just think it's like something natural because it's— they're pretty cool.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Well, I think it's like you said, it's that investment of that first decision. Yeah, and it's interesting that a lot of people want to hide the, the fact that they made that decision. And to go and really put themselves out there, but also to make that change.

Neil Grevemberg: I can honestly say I'm in a couple of ventures right now and I really feel like it's because of my transformation and my smile and things like that. People are attracted to me, you know, in a sense that they say hi or something. And I would have absolutely avoided so many conversations in the past because, you know, I'd be kind of like that. Because when I met you, you know, I was that— it was just like something in my— my actual teeth were pretty good.

Dr. Tyler Hales: And, uh, but it's one step, right? I think, yeah, obviously someone looks at you and like, man, I want to be, I want to be like Neil. Like, I thought about that all the time in my life. Like, what would Neil do? I asked that question.

Neil Grevemberg: Well, it's funny because, um, people just think I always looked like this. And even last night at my daughter's birthday, you know, a gentleman walked up to me and he's like, man, you just have it. And, uh, you know, and yeah, I do enjoy that when that happens, right? So what I do is I tell them my journey. I pull out my phone and I show them what I look like, uh, before the teeth and the the weight loss, and they don't believe it's me. So I literally have side-by-side pictures because I do feel like, um, this a calling. I feel like it sort of sounds kind of cheesy, but I feel good about showing somebody what I looked like. I just did it at my doctor's office, and the lady goes, oh, I wouldn't show anybody that before picture. I don't care, because anybody, anybody can really, really improve. You start really thinking about some things you're doing in your life right now and some things you can do differently. And like you said, it's one day at a time. It's that Peloton for 20 minutes in the garage. That Peloton had been sitting there for 8, 9 months, never used, never been on one, didn't even have workout clothes. How crazy is that? I was wearing like these sweats and 20 minutes I was dying. Like, how can I do this? And, you know, I probably have 2,000 rides now only because I started doing other things. I got really into running and a lot of other activities outside now. But it's one day at a time. I do look at those pictures and I'm like, I think about it daily. You know, I see somebody and I'm like, I just want to tell them how different their life can be. And it's not as hard as it looks when it's one day at a time. I will say that too. It's— it sounds like it's not achievable when you look at what I was to now. But when you think about the one day at a time, it is achievable because I did it. And you know how fast that mortgage is due on the first— those months go by fast, right? And it's the same thing with your health and weight loss. It's exactly the same thing. The months are just ticking by. So if you're doing the right things, you're seeing improvements.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah. Now you're a great example of that.

Neil Grevemberg: Oh boy.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Okay.

Neil Grevemberg: You didn't tell me this.

Dr. Tyler Hales: I know. Surprise game. So I'm going to tell you about a situation and I just want you to tell me if you think it's confidence or delusional.

Neil Grevemberg: Okay.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Okay. And we'll see if our, our We have the same opinion. Okay, so a guy walks into a $50 million pitch wearing a t-shirt, flip-flops, because that's who he is.

Neil Grevemberg: Confidence.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Personally, I think he's delusional. But what I— part of the thing that speaks to me is my grandpa, when I joined, or when I started doing dentistry, he came to me and he told me, hey, if you want to be the best, you need to look the best. All right. 19-year-old buys a house 6 months after his first kid is born.

Neil Grevemberg: 19-year-old buys a house 6 months after his first kid was born. That's a good scenario. I mean, you got to be confident in yourself, right? You got to be confident in your ability to make money and be successful. That's a lot.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah, for sure. I think it's confidence. I think you're building the future for your kid at that point, right? So you got to have confidence. Someone posts a shirtless gym selfie 3 weeks into a workout.

Neil Grevemberg: Well, you know, some might say delusional, but I'm gonna say he's confident to do it. You know, we might all kind of laugh because it's not quite ready, but I don't understand that whole thing. Like, you know, I don't post myself or anything. I mean, I'll send you a picture, but— and I'll send you an updated one soon after this podcast, but I'm going to say confident.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah, I think confidence as well. You know, I think that's honestly what we should all be doing. Yeah, we should all feel confident to be able to take a picture of ourselves and send it.

Neil Grevemberg: Yeah.

Dr. Tyler Hales: I mean, I, I, I'm a believer that like as soon as somebody starts wearing a t-shirt in the pool, right, that confidence is changed and that means that something needs to happen.

Neil Grevemberg: Hey, well, you're looking at the guy that was doing that for about 10 years and that's very true.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah.

Neil Grevemberg: Very true.

Dr. Tyler Hales: A guy quits his job before he has his next one lined up.

Neil Grevemberg: I'm going to say confidence again. I mean, I'm going to say confidence.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah, I think confidence too. I think that I'm a believer going all in. I mean, I'm a high risk, high reward, honestly, type of guy. And so like, for me, why invest into something that's, that's not working and just go into the next thing?

Neil Grevemberg: And see, like, I think there's two ways to have that same path. And I think for you, you know, you're an educated guy, obviously, and very smart. I think for me, not much education, but a little more of the, you know, when you have ADHD, you don't really, you don't analyze the consequences of what can go wrong as much. And I think that was a huge thing for me to be successful, 'cause a lot of friends of mine would be paralysis by analysis, you know?

Dr. Tyler Hales: Someone spends $40,000 on themselves before they've earned the next $40,000.

Neil Grevemberg: I'm confident again. I mean, like, do it. Where else you gonna spend it? I mean, I obviously did.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Exactly. I think you gotta invest money to make money, right?

Neil Grevemberg: Yeah.

Dr. Tyler Hales: And whether that's an investment in yourself, you know, like you said, your comment was, if I would have done this 15 years ago, I would have been more successful than I was.

Neil Grevemberg: There's no question about it. There's zero question about it. You know, it's funny, like I had a boat and, um, all these toys and stuff and you, you know, you have a maintenance plan for all those things, right? Yeah. You have boat cleaning and, you know, I have the fancy car and, but you don't take care of yourself. Right. So it's kind of funny that we, we, we don't put invest in ourselves, which I think people are starting to do more and more, which I think is great.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yep. A dad tells his 3 daughters he can do anything.

Dr. Tyler Hales: So, Neil, last question. What's the— what is the question every interviewer asks you that you're tired of? And what's the question you wish they would ask?

Neil Grevemberg: I think I get tired of questions where people like think things are— imply that things are easy. So like I get a lot of like, oh, so you just started flipping, you know, like it's like, and then it's a lot of work to explain the process. Right. But I always like, people need to understand that whatever it is you're doing, you know, I mean, this office didn't just get here. I mean, well, obviously, I mean, you know, construction's horrible. Like, it's a real job. It's a real process. It's a real being on top of things. Um, everyone always looks at the, at the, at the, what the end result was and thinks that it was easy sometimes. And I get tired of those kind of questions for sure.

Dr. Tyler Hales: What's the one question, uh, you wish they'd ask you?

Neil Grevemberg: I really enjoy talking about my journey. I mean, I think that I'm more passionate about my health and this part of my life than any business or any money or any toy or ski house or anything else. I, I love talking about this stuff because I do feel like, um, um, I, I wish more people would ask or we create a conversation about it because I just feel like people— there's so many people that lives can be changed. And I know how much my life is different than it was 5 years ago. Um, you know, there's a lot of things that I'm sure I don't know how to articulate on a podcast like this, but it's, it's so different.

Dr. Tyler Hales: No, it's incredible. I mean, I appreciate you, Neil, coming on, spending time with us, talking about your journey. I've loved being part of your journey, being able to see this impact that you're making and the success. You've made a huge impact in my life.

Neil Grevemberg: So, well, you've made one in mine as well. And you know, you've been a big cheerleader and I've texted you several times. Not so much lately because I've been like this for a while now, but I used to text you quite a bit and my progress picture and unsolicited. But yeah, it's people like you that, you know, are kind of paying attention, that, you know, you, you know, you want to strive to be like that as well, right? So it's a two-way street.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Before you go, let me bring this all together. 3 things from Neil's story that I can't stop thinking about. First, success doesn't protect you from insecurity. Neil was the most accomplished guy in that architect's office, and he told me he felt like the littlest guy in the room. You can win in business for decades but still not want to open your mouth. Confidence and success are not the same thing. Second, the Peloton sat in his garage for 8 months. He didn't even own workout clothes. Then one day he got on it for 20 minutes, and he's ridden it 2,000 times since. The transformation everybody sees starts with one ride nobody saw. Don't wait until you feel like the person who works out. 20 minutes makes you that person. And third, Neil said we keep a maintenance plan for the boat, for the car, for everything we own except ourselves. He shows people his before pictures now because he wants them to know it's achievable. One day at a time. His words: The months go by fast, so if you're doing the right things, you're seeing improvements.

Neil Grevemberg: And I go, when you think about it, 29 is not that young. And I think part of the social media that we were talking about earlier is I do think a lot of young people think that they need to be successful right now, or, you know, because there's this picture painted that can have a negative effect on their thinking too. So I think that you can do your best work after 40.

Dr. Tyler Hales: All right, last question. Confidence or delusional? The version of you that walked into my, uh, our first appointment.

Neil Grevemberg: The version of me that walked into our first appointment? Delusional, right? I mean, um, not very— I mean, yeah, absolutely. Walking into the day, very confident. Maybe too confident.

Neil Grevemberg: Well, that just goes back to like really loving what you do and like really feeling it, right? Because then it really just pours and people can just feel it. And I think that's what you did.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah.

Neil Grevemberg: I mean, if I can get my teeth done again, I'd be back. I mean, new office. I don't know.

Dr. Tyler Hales: I know, right?

Neil Grevemberg: We make it. I don't think we can make them any better.

Dr. Tyler Hales: We got to get some other, uh, some other procedures going on. Yeah.

Neil Grevemberg: Let me know what else you do.

Dr. Tyler Hales: So you went from smiling to losing 130 pounds to reinventing how you show up. Why does fixing one visible thing make people go fix everything else?

Neil Grevemberg: Um, you got— well, you know, you don't— you, you have to start somewhere, right? It's one day at a time. And, um, uh, there's just no question about it. I was walking around like this all the time. I mean, I was really like, uh, on cloud nine. And, uh, like I said, you know, that little tug from my concierge doctor at Hoag, and when he said that to me, it's like kind of got me going. And, and then it's really turned into this thing where I know looks aren't everything, but it's really not for anybody else but for me. You know, like, you know, everyone says I'm looking in the mirror all the time. I go, yeah, I am 100%. I like what I see and I like how I feel inside.

Dr. Tyler Hales: You see a lot of people on that journey, right? Especially in a weight loss journey. And they get to a point where they're losing the weight and they start to look good. But you do get people who kind of revert back to that. Did you ever have any time or experience where you're like, oh, like started to feel creep back to old habits?

Neil Grevemberg: I could show you text messages with a couple of guys I text with daily that we kind of hold each other accountable. And, you know, I will run 5 miles today. I don't feel great today. I have a flight at 7 o'clock, but I will— I can never go back. I love where I'm at today more than I've ever loved where I've been. And, you know, I've been in good shape when I'm— you know, everyone's young and healthy. But I'll never go back. Like, I'm— I just— you can have all the money in the world, but without your health and feeling good and, you know, liking trying on clothes. And I mean, I'm a clothes whore now. I love shopping. You can edit that out. But I'll never go back. It's not even an option. I mean, I'm just addicted to it.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah. So you had your first daughter at 19. You now have 3. What do they see in you that they didn't see 5 years ago?

Neil Grevemberg: Oh, there's, well, they see a lot of me walking around with my shirt off at home, for sure. When they're home, they don't live at home anymore. But yeah, I mean, it's kind of fun. Like my oldest daughter's a nurse at Children's Hospital LA and, you know, she'll have a birthday party for my grandson or something and then she'll be like, "Oh, this is embarrassing. All my friends thought you were hot." I'm like, "I love every second of it," you know? You know, it's, it's never a thing, but it's just fun. And, uh, so they see a lot of confidence in me for sure, you know. And I do think about a lot of, a lot of years wasted, like, you know, on the beach with them. And, you know, uh, especially my youngest wanted me to get in the ocean, and I'm just kind of like embarrassed. Like, I don't take my shirt off, or when no one's looking, take it off real quick and run in, or whatever it is. And, you know, it can be weight, teeth, whatever it is. There's something that you start to realize, like, time's going by fast and there's no reason to waste any more time.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Feel like that confidence now has really helped build the relationship more with your kids?

Neil Grevemberg: I do. Yeah, I do. I think that, um, well, you know, also when you're not feeling good about yourself, you're just different. You feel different. You're not as just excited about things. And, um, you know, I used to dread certain vacations, right? Like, I mean, uh, we're going to the Bahamas. Like, I mean, now it's like, you know, you're just more excited about things. Which is not fair to them, but it's just the reality, I think, when you're not feeling good about yourself.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah, you definitely— I think it's business, family, right? If you don't show up for the team or them, um, it's hard to make an impact.

Neil Grevemberg: And I will say this too, you know, I am lucky that I was in businesses where I could be successful and maybe not take care of myself the way I should have. But I will say, I think we gravitate towards each other when we're kind of on the same path of working out or feeling good. And I do think, you know, it shows a little bit about how you are inside when you're dedicated enough to follow through on those things. So I think that's a good thing for your kids to see for sure. Especially at my age, you know, I want them to like think about health. And I was telling you off camera, like, you know, I think about food in a way that I never thought about it before. Not in a, I don't care about calories or fat. I'm talking about what's in the food. Food colorings and stuff like that. And I hope that's something that they're seeing that I'm doing and like it.

Dr. Tyler Hales: Yeah, and it's amazing each step that you've taken to this point. Like you said, this— it's fun to be able to watch you on this journey through life and just see how every aspect of your life has continued to improve.